Is Gorgias an early draft of an unfinished dialogue?
Is Gorgias an early draft of an unfinished dialogue?
IS GORGIAS AN EARLY DRAFT OF AN UNFINISHED DIALOGUE?*
The speeches in Gorgias demonstrate Plato’s “ability to write in a way which combines to a unique
degree dramatic power, convincing characterisation, vitality and elegance.”1 The conversations between
Socrates and Gorgias and between Chaerephon and Gorgias display the heights of Athenian urbanity
(?ste??? ?????) whereas the conversation between Socrates and Callicles ultimately dissolves
entirely after a descent to unmannerly exchanges. The high literary level of the speeches in
Gorgias is unchallengable. My argument that Gorgias is an early draft rests on non-literary
considerations. The location of the conversation of the interlocutors in Gorgias is indeterminate. (The
expressed content of the participants’ speeches are the core of Plato’s dialogues and presumably would
have been composed first. Supplying a physical location for the discussions would have been a secondary
task). In all early and middle period Platonic dialogues, the locations of the conversations and even the
bodily posture of the interlocutors are specified with the possible exception of Meno regarding location.2
* I follow the text of John Burnet, Platonis Opera, 1901–06, Oxford. Translations of the text are mine
unless otherwise indicated.
1 Kenneth J. Dover, 1978, 1989, Greek Homosexuality, 13, Cambridge MA.
2 Cf. Terrence H. Irwin, 2019, “The Platonic Corpus,” 69, The Oxford Handbook of Plato,2 Gail Fine ed.
Oxford: “Among those that modern students have doubted are Hippias Major, Hippias Minor, Menexenus,
Alcibiades I-II, Hipparchus, Amatores, Theages, Clitopho, Minos, and Epinomis.” Those dialogues of
questionable provenance are not discussed in this paper. In Meno, Meno is visiting Athens and has been
engaged in conversation with Socrates for two or more days. They are seated as is indicated by Socrates
noticing Anytus seated nearby at Men. 89e10. Apparently Plato felt it necessary to indicate the bodily
posture of Socrates and his interloctutors be they seated, standing or reclining. (The locations of the
participants’ discussions are exactly specified in Euthyphro, Euthydemus, Lysis, Charmides, Protagoras,
Phaedo, Crito, the Apology, the Republic, Phaedrus, Parmenides. the Symposium and Laws). In Phaedrus the
interlocutors are represented as seated outdoors outside the city with their feet in the spring of Illissus
under a plane tree. In the dialogues which take place in gymnasia (Charmides, Euthydemus, Lysis), and in
private homes (Protagoras, the Republic), the speakers are seated. In the Symposium, they are reclining. In
Phaedo, in prison after his leg-iron is struck off, Socrates sits up from the cot upon which he was lying. In
Crito, Socrates is chained and apparently conducts his conversation with Crito while supine. Presumably
Socrates remains standing in court in the Apology.
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In Gorgias, Chaerephon has delayed Socrates in the agora and the pair arrive after Gorgias has delivered
a demonstration of rhetoric inside a building perhaps a gymnasium. Socrates and Chaerepon encounter
Callicles, Polus and possibly Gorgias all of whom have exited the building leaving the audience inside as
is indicated by Callicles’ remark at Gorg. 447c8 that Gorgias undertook to answer any question that
anyone of those inside might wish to ask him (?t? t?? ß?????t? t?? ??d?? ??t??). At Gorg. 455c6–7, the
audience inside the building is referred to again, this time by Socrates: “for it is quite likely that some one
of those inside (t?? t?? ??d?? ??t??) wishes to become your student.” In a bewildering fashion, the
audience of Gorgias’ initial demonstration are twice located inside a building (Gorg. 447c8, 455c6) and
once outside (Gorg. 458c3–5) listening directly to Socrates, Gorgias, Polus and Callicles who are
outdoors unless Socrates and party are now magically inside.3 Neither Thompson4 nor Dodds5 address this
anomaly. However, it is noticed by Fussi:6 “The spatial framing of the Gorgias is indeterminate. All we
know is that Socrates, Chaerephon, and some unnamed comrades (sic) meet Callicles outside a building
and then, as if by magic, find themselves inside it. The movement from outside to inside the building is
not described but presupposed by Callicles’ reference to ‘t?? ??d?? ??t??’ (those inside) at 447c8.”
Although she notices it, Fussi does not offer an explanation of the anomaly. The possible implications of
the unexplained transfer of Socrates, Chaerephon, Polus and Callicles from outdoors to indoors (the text
at Gorg. 458c3–5 may alternatively be read to suggest the transfer of Gorgias’ audience from indoors to
outdoors) are noted and interpreted by Benardete:7 “Between the time of Callicles’ suggestion that
Socrates ask Gorgias himself about whether he is willing to converse and Socrates’ telling Chaerephon to
ask Gorgias who he is, Socrates, Chaerephon, and Callicles have passed from outside to inside the hall
where Gorgias has just finished his display. Nowhere else in Plato does anyone walk without its being
noted in some way (my emphasis) but here they proceed as if to will was to act and walls vanish at
one’s pleasure.”
In the process of writing a dialogue, Plato would naturally first compose the speeches which
are primary and constitute its core. Inserting into the dialogue the specifities of location where
3 At Gorg. 458c3-5: Chaerephon says “You hear for yourselves, Gorgias and Socrates, the applause by
which these gentlemen show their desire to hear anything you may say” (Translation of Walter Rangeley
Maitland Lamb, Plato III, 1925, 297, Cambridge, MA.).
4 William Henry Thompson, 1871, The ”Gorgias” of Plato, London.
5 Eric Robertson Dodds, 1959, Plato “Gorgias,” Oxford.
6 Alessandra Fussi, “Why is the Gorgias so bitter?”, Philosophy and Rhetoric, 33 (2000), 45.
7 Seth Benardete, 1991, Rhetoric of Morality and Philosophy, 9, Chicago.
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the discussions take place would be secondary. The indeterminacy of location in Gorgias is
evidence that the dialogue is unfinished.
There is a second compositional device peculiar to Plato’s dialogues, namely the insertion of
dramatic incidents and/or remarks which correspond to specific topics addressed in Socrates’
speeches and those of his interlocutors elsewhere in a dialogue, sometimes confirming and
sometimes refuting a specific opinion. Like the specifications of the location of the
conversations, these too would have been worked into dialogues after the speeches were
composed. A comprehensive examination of Plato’s use of that device is beyond the scope of
this paper. The following examples may suffice to illustrate its use which, so far as I know, has
been overlooked in Platonic scholarship. In Meno at 71b8–c2, Meno expresses himself in the
pluralis majestatis,8 a mode of speech that employs the first person plural to signal the privilege
of aristocratic status thereby contradicting Socrates' assertion at Men. 71b4–8 that it is
impossible to know that the Thessalian is an aristocrat without knowing who he is. Meno’s
plural is read differently by Thompson and Klein.9 At Charm. 153a5–6, Socrates tells an
8 Surprised by Socrates’ avowal of ignorance regarding ??et?, Meno asks “if we may announce back
home (sc. your eccentric opinions about ??et?)?" (The use of the pluralis majestatis survives in modern
Western languages). Another instance of the pluralis majestatis occurs at Chrm. 155a7. Socrates proposes a
conversation with Charmides, and asks Critias, an Athenian grandee holding court in the gymnasium of
Taureas, to summon the young man. Critias is amenable to that proposal. He replies "We shall summon
him.”
9 Cf. Thompson (note 4 above) 68: “The plural is used because Meno is speaking for himself and his
party”; Jacob Klein, A Commentary on Plato’s “Meno,” 1965, 1989, 42, Chicago: “Does Socrates really not
know what human excellence is, he asks. And he adds, with a sweeping gesture—as we imagine—over
the heads of the people who form his retenue and are witnessing the conversation on the spot: 'shall we
spread that (original emphasis) news about you [which must be known here, in Athens] back home,
too?'” That Socrates and Meno are engaged in a private conversation, aside Socrates' brief encounter with
Anytus in Meno's presence, is indicated by Socrates’ insults and scoldings of Meno that would transcend
propriety if others were listening. Socrates is quite unpleasant to Protagoras throughout the Protagoras,
but the insults there are wrapped in irony as is required by the presence of an audience. Plato takes great
care in distinguishing private conversations (for example, that of Socrates with Euthryphro on the road
to the law court or with Crito in the prison cell) from those with an audience (for example, the attendees
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acquaintance that on entering the gymnasium of Taureas after returning from Athens’ military
campaign at Potidaea, he recognized individuals previously known to him but realized that
there were others he was unacquainted with. That incident provides an real world example of
knowing what one knows and knowing what one does not know, confirming the proposition
that Socrates is at pains to deny later in the dialogue, that an ?p?st?µ? of itself and of
??ep?st?µ?s??? is possible. At Prt. 310d2–3, Socrates’ young friend Hippocrates is
characterized as possessing ??d?e?a. Already possessing ??d?e?a, he yearns to be made wise
by Protagoras (Prt. 310d5–6) which real world fact refutes Socrates' false assertion that ??d?e?a
is the same as s?f?a at Prt. 350c4–5 and 360d4–5.
In Gorgias, there are two incomplete instances of this literary device. At Gorg. 487c1–d2
Socrates remarks:
“I know, Callicles, that four of you have formed a partnership in wisdom . . . and I once
overheard you debating how far the cultivation of wisdom should be carried, and I know
you were deciding in favor of some such view as this—that one should not be carried away
into the minuter points of philosophy, but you exhorted one another to beware of making
yourselves overwise, lest you should unwittingly work your own ruin.10
Where this conversation took place, indoors or outside, and how Socrates managed to overhear
at Kallias' house, assembled and seated to hear Socrates converse with Protagoras [Prt. 317d5?e3]), or the
scrum pushing and shoving to sit on the bench on which Charmides is about to sit down [Chrm.
155c1?4]). Meno's entourage are menials who keep their distance unless summoned—like the slave-boy
who is singled out for Socrates’ geometry demonstration—and do not eavesdrop on their master's
conversations. In contrast to that conventional social arrangement, Agathon in the Symposium at
175b7?c1, as an innovation, bids his house-slaves consider themselves to be the hosts who have invited
him and the other guests to the feast. Alcibiades who arrives late notices that the house-slaves are
listening to the guests' conversations, and instructs them to clap heavy doors on their ears that they not
hear what he is about to say (Symp. 218b5?7).
10 Translation of Lamb (note 3 above) 397.
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it without its participants becoming aware of being overheard is not indicated.11 Socrates goes
on to say “Since I hear you advising me of the same things as to your closest associates, it is
sufficient testimony that you are truly well disposed to me.” It is impossible to decide whether
or not Socrates is taking note of the contradiction12 between Callicles’ useful philosophical
observation that praises the nomos of the natural world and oriental kingdoms according to
which might makes right and deprecates the nomos of democratic cities in which the unilateral
exercise of might was declared unjust and not right, and the statement in his next remark (Gorg.
484c4-8) in which he deprecates the pursuit of exacting philosophy as being the destruction of a
man. The overheard conversation confirms that Callicles’ disavowal of the worth of serious
philosophy was said in all seriousness. Of course that opinion does not impeach the worth of
the philosophical observation regarding the two nomoi.
At Gorg. 481d5-10, Socrates remarks that he “always notices about you (a?s????µa? ??? s??
???st?te) that despite your cleverness, whatever your beloved says and how he says things
are, you are not able to contradict but you are tossed up and down. And in the assembly, if you
say anything that the demos of the Athenians denies to be so, you are tossed about and you
agree with whatever they wish.” How Socrates would know Callicles’ affective state towards
his beloved is not explained. Nor how Socrates who led a private life and notoriously shunned
Athenian politics would perceive or notice Callicles’ behavior in the assembly.
WHY PLATO LEFT GORGIAS UNFINISHED
Why then did Plato never return to the task of specifying the location of the conversations and
providing the missing details of the significant incidents––reported by Socrates––which
11 A mechanism to surreptiously overhear a private conversation did not exist in antiquity. Plato
could not anticipate the contemporary practice of placing hidden microphones in hotel rooms and,
latterly, monitoring electronic messaging between interlocutors who believe that they are
communicating confidentially.
12 Cf. Benardete (note 7 above) 64: “Callicles’speech is in two parts (482c4-483c3, 484c4-486d3). They
are not quite consistent with one another. . . . He uses philosophy to mount an attack on the city in the
first part and in the second attacks philosophy in the name of the city.”
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confirmed the sincerity of Callicles’ expressed deprecation of philosophy and identified his
subservience to his beloved Demos and to the demos of the Athenians? Writers report that
characters in their books sometimes go off on their own by acquiring a kind of fictional
autonomy of action and speech seemingly independent of the author’s intention. This effect
seems to have occurred in Gorgias: Callicles’ core opinions radically contradict one another and
as they stood could not be reconciled. Unlike Socrates’ interlocutors in every other dialogues
whose opinions are non-contradictory and of a piece, there was an essential contradiction
between Callicles’ innovative philosophical observation that the nomos of physis according to
which might makes right differs from the nomos of democratic cities like Athens where might
does not make right, and his opinion expressed immediately afterwards that excessive
philosophical activity is to be rejected as destructive of successful life in the city. Tied in knots
by Socrates’ elenchus, Callicles goes so far as to endorse a life of unfettered gluttony which is in
blatant contradiction with his intention to be a mover and shaker in Athenian politics. The latter
ambition is incompatible with the life-style of a glutton.
Another unreconcilable contradiction is that between Callicles’ theory that individually weak
citizens whom he terms a “motley pack of slaves and a random assortment of worthless men“
(s??fet?? . . . d????? ?a? pa?t?dap?? ?????p?? µ?de??? ?????), set down the nomoi of
what is just and the sympathy he expresses for the unjust strongman and the information
supplied by Socrates that Callicles is a lover of the demos and obeys their every whim. In all the
other dialogues, Socrates’ interlocutors possess an unchanging character and their opinions
express a unity of belief. Plato was interested in types; the malleability of a person’s opinions
and behavior, as are found in realistic novels, was a literary genre yet to be invented.13
The utter lack of specificity of location as well as the lack of fully realized incidents that sheds
light on the worth of an argument, in contrast to their exact description in all the other Socratic
dialogues, demonstrates that Gorgias was unfinished pending the author’s future attention to
the text. It is not impossible that Plato chose for some reason to publish Gorgias despite its
13 Callicles’ contradictory opinions in Gorgias make him especially appealing as a subject of
interpretation, which is evidenced by the number of learned articles and books that attempt to unify his
character and expressed intentions. scholar.google.com (retrieved 6/27/2021) lists 72 learned articles and
books with “Callicles” in their titles.
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unfinished state. It seems more likely that the dialogue was found in the effects of its author
after he died and that it was published by the Academy as executors of his estate.
Michael Eisenstadt Austin
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